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Oct 16, 2008




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At 12:31 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here some comments (in addition to Griffin's) about economics of the second hour of Zeitgeist: Addendum (or lack of it): http://tinyurl.com/44drf6

At 2:08 PM , Blogger Indigobusiness said...

Thanks, Anon.

Wherever anyone lines up on this, it strikes me as an interesting and important discussion.

Dogma often gets in the way of argument, and clouds the possibilities, but there is certainly grist for the mill here.

At 8:55 PM , Blogger †w¦† said...

I quite liked the first Zeitgeist film with its 'explanation(s)' of the 'Jesus Myth' & the 9/11 stuff.

I also liked Zeitgeist:Addendum until it started getting all 'utopian'. At that point, I began to get quite suspicious. At best it came across as deluded hippy horseshit, but it could be something more sinister.

Then again, they're just first impressions.

I shall watch it again.


At 11:06 PM , Blogger Indigobusiness said...

Hey, Twit. I feared you were locked away somewhere.

I haven't seen either film, in total.

I listened to Alex Jones heap abuse on the filmmaker, Mr, Joseph? I forget his first name. Much of what he said made sense to me, and Jones just spun off into his offtrack tirades, while the intvw became a joke.

I am certain some of this will rankle me a bit, but I respect the philosophical platform as I understand it. To me, it makes for fascinating practical possibilities.

Utopian is just another word for idealistic, as far as I can see. I think we could stand to attempt an idealistic, money-free way of going about things. I'm sickened by the failure of greed and cynicism. New ways might grow us up.

I'd be interested in hearing your views on this. I'm just a tourist.

At 9:42 PM , Blogger †w¦† said...

Tourist eh?
I hope your papers are in order.


Anyway yeah, I'd recommend watching both.

In the first one there's quite a credible-sounding take on the Jesus story that we all know (to varying degrees). It states that essentially, Jesus is a complete invention based on pagan sun worship, the horoscope & loads of other iconic deities like Horus & Krishna (they're the only ones I can remember at the mo but there is a lot more - Apparently.) I say 'apparently' because a lot of people have been contesting that proposition...(there's actually a reward/prize-money being offered to anyone that has ACTUAL proof of the ideas put forward, but to my knowledge, nobody has...so far)..

So it's easy to see why Alex Jones has a problem with that...being a Christian.

I have to say, it made me realise that although I can fully appreciate the way the Jesus story has been distorted & rewritten to suit certain agendas through the ages, I don't actually like the notion of him being a complete invention. Not that I'm a Christian, I just like the idea that he was a wandering Buddhist-type guru who was telling us that we're ALL OF GOD..

& after all, Jesus was fucking cool!

Of course, it's a complete cum-fest to atheistic-types...'At last - they have their evidence!' & all that kind of thing.

Bloody simpletons!

Their reaction is kinda laughable really...Zeitgeist has become THEIR BIBLE.

Just like Christians don't question the good book, they take the word of ONE film for their belief. Holy poopdom.

Anyway. Yeah. It is a superbly put together TRIP-of-a-film (the first one). I'm surprised you haven't seen it actually, I thought it was right up your thingy }¦:¬)>

Zeitgeist: Addendum is a more sober affair...a kind-of 'okay, now we know how we got here, this is what we should do' type of presentation.

My problem was with this no-money culture idea that it leads up to. It just seems like throwing the baby out with the bathwater..

Yes, of course we need some kind of serious revolution to take place; bring down the banks -FOR EVER (no more making money out of money), redistribute the wealth, etc, you know, shoot a few evil cunts along the way, that kinda stuff....

But to get rid of the whole concept of money?

To me that's like saying, 'the prison system is a mess so let's just end it completely & just stop locking people up'.. It's totally unrealistic. Money is not intrinsically evil. The system just needs complete reform.

Any system, any religion, any 'way' can be abused by corrupt greedy fucks...money or not, god or not.

& would we really want it any other way?

(Word Verification: comica)

At 11:41 PM , Blogger Indigobusiness said...

I'm into the middle way, not easy to pigeon-hole, or get up, my thingy.

Thanks for your considered response, but I have to laugh when people like Alex Jones call themselves Christian.
His rabble-rousing is shaking up the world of the corruptors, and I applaud that, but his mock Christianity is a pale reflection of the teachings.

Us-and-themism is an abiding theme for the Quasi-Christianity that fouls the landscape, but the teachings of Jesus, real or not, is the true jewel.

New paradigms are impossible to envisage, untill they seem perfectly natural, but that's the stuff of true revolution. I'd welcome a system that doesn't involve money, or the inevitable love of it.

We are truly in the shit, we'd better transcend it soon, cause coffee-break's nearly over...back to standing on your head, soon.

At 7:19 PM , Blogger †w¦† said...

For the record: when I said; "..shoot a few..", I was only talking about filming people -- Just in case anyone was unclear (or nuclear) about that.

After all, I'm a nice guy. I believe that everyone should be kissed & patted on the head. Nobody should be made to live in the detention camps they invented or anything like that. Nope.


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